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		<title>By: Rhayader</title>
		<link>http://timothyblee.com/2009/08/31/software-patents-from-the-bottom-up/comment-page-1/#comment-757</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhayader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 15:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;stealing is stealing.&lt;/i&gt;

Right, but straight-up theft and piracy are pretty straightforward topics in the realm of patent law.

It&#039;s the subtleties that make it tough.  Go back to your Mark Twain example, and to Tim&#039;s idea of &quot;literary patents&quot;.  Could Twain have patented a given literary device or theme?  If he could, what would happen when I decided to sit down and write a book, and independently arrived at a similar theme, through the use of a similar device?  I haven&#039;t plagiarized, at least according to the commonly used definition; there is no verbatim (or summarizing) copying of Twain&#039;s work.  But, if he has claimed ownership over his creative process, my work is exposed to lawsuit.

So yeah, it&#039;s easy to make it illegal to pirate MatLab and upload it to a torrent site.  But what about someone else developing a computational programming platform?  Do they need to inspect how MatLab queried the processor, or recalled information from RAM, or interfaced with the system&#039;s printer drivers?  Are techniques like that truly &quot;ownable&quot;, or just part of a toolbox in the same way as allegory and character foiling are part of the writer&#039;s toolbox?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>stealing is stealing.</i></p>
<p>Right, but straight-up theft and piracy are pretty straightforward topics in the realm of patent law.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the subtleties that make it tough.  Go back to your Mark Twain example, and to Tim&#8217;s idea of &#8220;literary patents&#8221;.  Could Twain have patented a given literary device or theme?  If he could, what would happen when I decided to sit down and write a book, and independently arrived at a similar theme, through the use of a similar device?  I haven&#8217;t plagiarized, at least according to the commonly used definition; there is no verbatim (or summarizing) copying of Twain&#8217;s work.  But, if he has claimed ownership over his creative process, my work is exposed to lawsuit.</p>
<p>So yeah, it&#8217;s easy to make it illegal to pirate MatLab and upload it to a torrent site.  But what about someone else developing a computational programming platform?  Do they need to inspect how MatLab queried the processor, or recalled information from RAM, or interfaced with the system&#8217;s printer drivers?  Are techniques like that truly &#8220;ownable&#8221;, or just part of a toolbox in the same way as allegory and character foiling are part of the writer&#8217;s toolbox?</p>
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		<title>By: Dale B. Halling</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dale B. Halling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 14:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no doubt that the patent system should be more accessible, less complicated, and less expensive.  Inventing is creative, this is not unique to developers of software.  Writers would be and have been historically disgusted by people that can pirate their writings.  In the 19th century copyrights were national (like patents are today), so foreign publishers stole the works of famous authors and reproduced them in their country without paying the author.  Mark Twain suffered this fate particularly at the hands of English publishers.  I am sure the English publishers did not see why they should have to fuss with copyrights of American writers and vice versa.  The moral point is the same with software developers who do not want to bother with those complicated patents – stealing is stealing. 

Some people believe that software should not be patentable.  The arguments against software patents have a fundamental flaw.  As any electrical engineer knows and software developer should know, solutions to problems implemented in software can also be realized in hardware, i.e., electronic circuits.  The main reason for choosing a software solution is the ease in implementing changes, the main reason for choosing a hardware solution is speed of processing.  Therefore, a time critical solution is more likely to be implemented in hardware.  While a solution that requires the ability to add features easily will be implemented in software.  Software is just a method of converting a general purpose electronic circuit (computer) into a application specific electronic circuit.  As a result, to be intellectually consistent those people against software patents also have to be against patents for electronic circuits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no doubt that the patent system should be more accessible, less complicated, and less expensive.  Inventing is creative, this is not unique to developers of software.  Writers would be and have been historically disgusted by people that can pirate their writings.  In the 19th century copyrights were national (like patents are today), so foreign publishers stole the works of famous authors and reproduced them in their country without paying the author.  Mark Twain suffered this fate particularly at the hands of English publishers.  I am sure the English publishers did not see why they should have to fuss with copyrights of American writers and vice versa.  The moral point is the same with software developers who do not want to bother with those complicated patents – stealing is stealing. </p>
<p>Some people believe that software should not be patentable.  The arguments against software patents have a fundamental flaw.  As any electrical engineer knows and software developer should know, solutions to problems implemented in software can also be realized in hardware, i.e., electronic circuits.  The main reason for choosing a software solution is the ease in implementing changes, the main reason for choosing a hardware solution is speed of processing.  Therefore, a time critical solution is more likely to be implemented in hardware.  While a solution that requires the ability to add features easily will be implemented in software.  Software is just a method of converting a general purpose electronic circuit (computer) into a application specific electronic circuit.  As a result, to be intellectually consistent those people against software patents also have to be against patents for electronic circuits.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy B Lee</title>
		<link>http://timothyblee.com/2009/08/31/software-patents-from-the-bottom-up/comment-page-1/#comment-702</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy B Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 03:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave,

Dancing Mammoth is a small enough firm that the chances of them getting sued is relatively small. So I doubt it had much effect on their hiring decisions. But if they started to grow, they&#039;d have to devote significant resources to stockpiling patents and licensing the patent portfolios of larger firms. The resources required to do that comes at least in part out of firms&#039; R&amp;D budgets.

More importantly, the fundamental argument for patent law is that it increases the market incentives to creative activity. But if the costs of patent litigation in an industry exceed the positive incentives created by the patent system (which is what Meurer and Bessen&#039;s data show for software), then the patent system as a whole might actually be discouraging innovation in that industry. The effect is diffuse enough that it&#039;s hard to point to a specific example, but the same is true of the positive incentive effects of patents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,</p>
<p>Dancing Mammoth is a small enough firm that the chances of them getting sued is relatively small. So I doubt it had much effect on their hiring decisions. But if they started to grow, they&#8217;d have to devote significant resources to stockpiling patents and licensing the patent portfolios of larger firms. The resources required to do that comes at least in part out of firms&#8217; R&#038;D budgets.</p>
<p>More importantly, the fundamental argument for patent law is that it increases the market incentives to creative activity. But if the costs of patent litigation in an industry exceed the positive incentives created by the patent system (which is what Meurer and Bessen&#8217;s data show for software), then the patent system as a whole might actually be discouraging innovation in that industry. The effect is diffuse enough that it&#8217;s hard to point to a specific example, but the same is true of the positive incentive effects of patents.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 00:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you of anybody who has decided not to pursue programming because of the legal risk?

Do you know of anyone who programmed less because of the possibility of patent infringement?

How many programmers would Dancing Mammoth have hired this summer if software patents were abolished last year?  More than they did?  Fewer than they did?  Exactly the same number as they did?

These are sincere questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you of anybody who has decided not to pursue programming because of the legal risk?</p>
<p>Do you know of anyone who programmed less because of the possibility of patent infringement?</p>
<p>How many programmers would Dancing Mammoth have hired this summer if software patents were abolished last year?  More than they did?  Fewer than they did?  Exactly the same number as they did?</p>
<p>These are sincere questions.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhayader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhayader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the comparison to hypothetical &quot;literary patents&quot; is a very informative one.  Unfortunately, most people I run into socially seem to have trouble accepting the idea of programming as a creative process.  They see the whole thing as sort of a &quot;black box&quot; with predefined parameters, and don&#039;t understand the critical thinking and problem solving involved.  It&#039;s like looking at a beautifully crafted dresser and seeing nothing but some loud tools and a little raw material.

I would imagine (or hope, anyway) that a typical software patent lawyer might have some more appreciation for the true creativity involved, but I still think there is a bit of a cultural blind spot that causes many to misunderstand the true nature of software development.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the comparison to hypothetical &#8220;literary patents&#8221; is a very informative one.  Unfortunately, most people I run into socially seem to have trouble accepting the idea of programming as a creative process.  They see the whole thing as sort of a &#8220;black box&#8221; with predefined parameters, and don&#8217;t understand the critical thinking and problem solving involved.  It&#8217;s like looking at a beautifully crafted dresser and seeing nothing but some loud tools and a little raw material.</p>
<p>I would imagine (or hope, anyway) that a typical software patent lawyer might have some more appreciation for the true creativity involved, but I still think there is a bit of a cultural blind spot that causes many to misunderstand the true nature of software development.</p>
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