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		<title>By: Sean L.</title>
		<link>http://timothyblee.com/2010/04/19/central-planners-and-conservatism/comment-page-1/#comment-12501</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 20:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Apple got blamed for approving a tasteless but basically harmless “baby shaker” app.&quot;

This exposes an interesting side-effect to previewing all apps released on their devices -- they don&#039;t have a plausible denial option.  If pirated videos show up on YouTube, they can say, &quot;well, we don&#039;t preview everything that goes up&quot; and simply take them down on request. Apple MUST take some level of responsibility for EVERY app on their store, which is an additional cost that must be accounted for.

Personally, I think they should add a &quot;download at your own risk&quot; section of their app store, keep only .15 on the dollar, and let any app on there someone wants to post. That would not only expand their bottom line, but allow a much wider range of options for the user with almost zero added risk.

I have &#039;defended&#039; Apple&#039;s business model here before, but it should be known I am about as libertarian in my views as one can get. I am forced under threat of fine, imprisonment or both if I don&#039;t follow the order of government, whose top-down structure can (literally) be deadly. But in the private sector, I&#039;m pretty much with Adam on it. If a company wants to strangle themselves, so be it. But it&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=AAPL+Interactive#chart1:symbol=aapl;range=1y;indicator=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=on;source=undefined&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;hard to argue with success&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Apple got blamed for approving a tasteless but basically harmless “baby shaker” app.&#8221;</p>
<p>This exposes an interesting side-effect to previewing all apps released on their devices &#8212; they don&#8217;t have a plausible denial option.  If pirated videos show up on YouTube, they can say, &#8220;well, we don&#8217;t preview everything that goes up&#8221; and simply take them down on request. Apple MUST take some level of responsibility for EVERY app on their store, which is an additional cost that must be accounted for.</p>
<p>Personally, I think they should add a &#8220;download at your own risk&#8221; section of their app store, keep only .15 on the dollar, and let any app on there someone wants to post. That would not only expand their bottom line, but allow a much wider range of options for the user with almost zero added risk.</p>
<p>I have &#8216;defended&#8217; Apple&#8217;s business model here before, but it should be known I am about as libertarian in my views as one can get. I am forced under threat of fine, imprisonment or both if I don&#8217;t follow the order of government, whose top-down structure can (literally) be deadly. But in the private sector, I&#8217;m pretty much with Adam on it. If a company wants to strangle themselves, so be it. But it&#8217;s <a href="http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=AAPL+Interactive#chart1:symbol=aapl;range=1y;indicator=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=on;source=undefined" rel="nofollow">hard to argue with success</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rhayader</title>
		<link>http://timothyblee.com/2010/04/19/central-planners-and-conservatism/comment-page-1/#comment-12495</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhayader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 15:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;So, my panties remain bunched!&lt;/i&gt;

Pics or it didn&#039;t happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>So, my panties remain bunched!</i></p>
<p>Pics or it didn&#8217;t happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Thierer</title>
		<link>http://timothyblee.com/2010/04/19/central-planners-and-conservatism/comment-page-1/#comment-12485</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Thierer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harper... I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. My point is absolute NOT that &quot;Apple should do something different.&quot; I don&#039;t give a damn how Apple conducts their business or the fact that Apple is &quot;a general-purpose computing platform,&quot; as Tim argues, is likewise utterly irrelevant to me. 

Tim was more on point in responding to my critique when he noted that:

&gt;&gt;As best I understand it, your objection seems to be to my use of terms like “central planning” and “censorship” to describe the actions of a private company. &lt;&lt;

That&#039;s generally my point -- especially when Tim starts dropping TSA and FDA in the same breath as private companies. My argument with Tim is on the use of language and the importance of certain terminology in political debates. Because there absolutely is a reason that people like Lessig, Zittrain, and Wu and organizations like Public Knowledge and Free Press use terms like this in their work and pleadings. They are out to use such language to invert the Big Brother problem and pretend that the primary problem with which public policy should be concerned is the supposed &quot;central planning&quot; and &quot;censorship&quot; by industry... which they would remedy with actual (and inescapable) central planning and / or censorship.  I know you and Tim understand and share my opposition to such notions, but my beef with Tim here is that his use of language plays right into their hands.  I understand that Tim will never accept that, but I will keep hammering him on this point because I think he is just dead wrong. Simply stated: Words matter.

More generally, Tim makes value judgments about large, hierarchical organizations that I am far more agnostic about. Of course it is true that large corporate bureaucracies with &quot;top-down&quot; management styles can do some truly stupid and inefficient things at times.  But they can occasionally do some amazing things as well. Tim and I used to fight about this at the TLF when he complained about how much money and how many people it took to create the latest version of Windows. Just because it took a lot of resources to create a product, and just because the process behind it was highly &quot;centralized,&quot; that&#039;s not necessarily a sign a failure in my book. Moreover, there is a WORLD of difference between that sort of experimental, evolutionary &quot;central planning&quot; and the state-based variant (in which failure takes longer to rectify / reverse). 

So, my panties remain bunched!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harper&#8230; I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. My point is absolute NOT that &#8220;Apple should do something different.&#8221; I don&#8217;t give a damn how Apple conducts their business or the fact that Apple is &#8220;a general-purpose computing platform,&#8221; as Tim argues, is likewise utterly irrelevant to me. </p>
<p>Tim was more on point in responding to my critique when he noted that:</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;As best I understand it, your objection seems to be to my use of terms like “central planning” and “censorship” to describe the actions of a private company. &lt;&lt;</p>
<p>That&#039;s generally my point &#8212; especially when Tim starts dropping TSA and FDA in the same breath as private companies. My argument with Tim is on the use of language and the importance of certain terminology in political debates. Because there absolutely is a reason that people like Lessig, Zittrain, and Wu and organizations like Public Knowledge and Free Press use terms like this in their work and pleadings. They are out to use such language to invert the Big Brother problem and pretend that the primary problem with which public policy should be concerned is the supposed &quot;central planning&quot; and &quot;censorship&quot; by industry&#8230; which they would remedy with actual (and inescapable) central planning and / or censorship.  I know you and Tim understand and share my opposition to such notions, but my beef with Tim here is that his use of language plays right into their hands.  I understand that Tim will never accept that, but I will keep hammering him on this point because I think he is just dead wrong. Simply stated: Words matter.</p>
<p>More generally, Tim makes value judgments about large, hierarchical organizations that I am far more agnostic about. Of course it is true that large corporate bureaucracies with &quot;top-down&quot; management styles can do some truly stupid and inefficient things at times.  But they can occasionally do some amazing things as well. Tim and I used to fight about this at the TLF when he complained about how much money and how many people it took to create the latest version of Windows. Just because it took a lot of resources to create a product, and just because the process behind it was highly &quot;centralized,&quot; that&#039;s not necessarily a sign a failure in my book. Moreover, there is a WORLD of difference between that sort of experimental, evolutionary &quot;central planning&quot; and the state-based variant (in which failure takes longer to rectify / reverse). </p>
<p>So, my panties remain bunched!</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy B Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy B Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 22:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Jim said.</description>
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		<title>By: Jim Harper</title>
		<link>http://timothyblee.com/2010/04/19/central-planners-and-conservatism/comment-page-1/#comment-12469</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Harper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 21:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam, unbunch your undies. (And I say that as a friend, of course.)

Tim&#039;s point is that closed systems won&#039;t be as good, like government agencies aren&#039;t as good. (Like the FCC, too, right, Tim?)

Your objection seems to be to the inference *you* draw---that Apple should do something different. It&#039;s not necessary to draw that inference from what Tim says. Why not draw the inferences &quot;Apple will not get my business&quot; or &quot;Apple will not succeed in the marketplace over time&quot;? 

Argue with Tim, if you want, but try to argue with what he says rather than what you imagine he thinks. It&#039;ll be more productive---and require fewer changes of your underthings!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam, unbunch your undies. (And I say that as a friend, of course.)</p>
<p>Tim&#8217;s point is that closed systems won&#8217;t be as good, like government agencies aren&#8217;t as good. (Like the FCC, too, right, Tim?)</p>
<p>Your objection seems to be to the inference *you* draw&#8212;that Apple should do something different. It&#8217;s not necessary to draw that inference from what Tim says. Why not draw the inferences &#8220;Apple will not get my business&#8221; or &#8220;Apple will not succeed in the marketplace over time&#8221;? </p>
<p>Argue with Tim, if you want, but try to argue with what he says rather than what you imagine he thinks. It&#8217;ll be more productive&#8212;and require fewer changes of your underthings!</p>
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		<title>By: Steamboat Willie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steamboat Willie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 21:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Felten&#039;s critique seems to be the most revealing yet published. In my opinion what it reveals is that the most forceful criticism of Apple is based on aesthetic judgments, not rational ones. This explains why some critiques are so emotional (not this blog&#039;s). Apple&#039;s approach is an affront to an aesthetic, not necessarily an affront to reason. From a rational perspective, there&#039;s really no way to know whether or not Apple&#039;s approach makes sense. You can make your bets in the stock market, but I for one am not ready to bet my money against Apple on this issue at this point in time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Felten&#8217;s critique seems to be the most revealing yet published. In my opinion what it reveals is that the most forceful criticism of Apple is based on aesthetic judgments, not rational ones. This explains why some critiques are so emotional (not this blog&#8217;s). Apple&#8217;s approach is an affront to an aesthetic, not necessarily an affront to reason. From a rational perspective, there&#8217;s really no way to know whether or not Apple&#8217;s approach makes sense. You can make your bets in the stock market, but I for one am not ready to bet my money against Apple on this issue at this point in time.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy B Lee</title>
		<link>http://timothyblee.com/2010/04/19/central-planners-and-conservatism/comment-page-1/#comment-12462</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy B Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 19:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam, my blog is not a general-purpose computing platform. I don&#039;t mind that, say, the computer in my car&#039;s fuel pump is closed, because that&#039;s clearly a single-use computing device. But Apple is marketing the iPad as a general-purpose computing platform--one that might replace laptops and desktops in the homes of the future. So yes, I&#039;m going to criticize them if they try to prevent their customers from running the software of their choice on the devices they own, just as I&#039;d criticize Ford if they tried to dictate where I drive my car.

Anyway, you&#039;re right that we&#039;ve gone round this particular argument a few times. As best I understand it, your objection seems to be to my use of terms like &quot;central planning&quot; and &quot;censorship&quot; to describe the actions of a private company. I happen to think that libertarian insights about these concepts can be usefully applied to all large, hierarchical organizations. In fact, it&#039;s precisely &lt;i&gt;because&lt;/i&gt; I&#039;m a libertarian that I find these concepts so useful. But I can see the point that applying them more broadly robs them of some of their pejorative quality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam, my blog is not a general-purpose computing platform. I don&#8217;t mind that, say, the computer in my car&#8217;s fuel pump is closed, because that&#8217;s clearly a single-use computing device. But Apple is marketing the iPad as a general-purpose computing platform&#8211;one that might replace laptops and desktops in the homes of the future. So yes, I&#8217;m going to criticize them if they try to prevent their customers from running the software of their choice on the devices they own, just as I&#8217;d criticize Ford if they tried to dictate where I drive my car.</p>
<p>Anyway, you&#8217;re right that we&#8217;ve gone round this particular argument a few times. As best I understand it, your objection seems to be to my use of terms like &#8220;central planning&#8221; and &#8220;censorship&#8221; to describe the actions of a private company. I happen to think that libertarian insights about these concepts can be usefully applied to all large, hierarchical organizations. In fact, it&#8217;s precisely <i>because</i> I&#8217;m a libertarian that I find these concepts so useful. But I can see the point that applying them more broadly robs them of some of their pejorative quality.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Thierer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Thierer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 19:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, are you saying that media platform providers should exercise ZERO editorial discretion when considering what they run on their platforms? Is all editorial discretion just &quot;central planning&quot; in your book?  

If so, I would like to make a request for you to start running hard-core porn on your site right now, or else you are just a central-planning tyrant! 

Seriously, why shouldn&#039;t Apple set some general &quot;community standards&quot; for their patch of the woods?  What is so wrong with that?  Moreover, you still have web browser... use it to go wherever you want. 

You just not taking into account the other values at play here, Tim. Of course, we&#039;ve been through all this before... http://techliberation.com/2010/02/20/apples-app-store-porn-censorship</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, are you saying that media platform providers should exercise ZERO editorial discretion when considering what they run on their platforms? Is all editorial discretion just &#8220;central planning&#8221; in your book?  </p>
<p>If so, I would like to make a request for you to start running hard-core porn on your site right now, or else you are just a central-planning tyrant! </p>
<p>Seriously, why shouldn&#8217;t Apple set some general &#8220;community standards&#8221; for their patch of the woods?  What is so wrong with that?  Moreover, you still have web browser&#8230; use it to go wherever you want. </p>
<p>You just not taking into account the other values at play here, Tim. Of course, we&#8217;ve been through all this before&#8230; <a href="http://techliberation.com/2010/02/20/apples-app-store-porn-censorship" rel="nofollow">http://techliberation.com/2010/02/20/apples-app-store-porn-censorship</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brian Moore</title>
		<link>http://timothyblee.com/2010/04/19/central-planners-and-conservatism/comment-page-1/#comment-12455</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 16:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fiore&#039;s stuff is &quot;objectionable&quot; only because it&#039;s so bad.  Maybe the app reviewer just had better taste than the Pulitzer committee.  The baby shaker app was, in my opinion, a more insightful window onto our society than anything I&#039;ve seen from Fiore, which thankfully, isn&#039;t too much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fiore&#8217;s stuff is &#8220;objectionable&#8221; only because it&#8217;s so bad.  Maybe the app reviewer just had better taste than the Pulitzer committee.  The baby shaker app was, in my opinion, a more insightful window onto our society than anything I&#8217;ve seen from Fiore, which thankfully, isn&#8217;t too much.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhayader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhayader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 15:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Don: I think that stretches the analogy a bit; using physical resources to sell physical goods is different from allowing people to sell software in a virtual marketplace.  The marginal cost to Apple for allowing any given piece of software into their store is essentially zero, which would not be the case for the steam table example (energy costs, opportunity costs, etc).

In fact, my guess is that Apple spends vastly more resources on the approval process than it does to host a given app in the store.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Don: I think that stretches the analogy a bit; using physical resources to sell physical goods is different from allowing people to sell software in a virtual marketplace.  The marginal cost to Apple for allowing any given piece of software into their store is essentially zero, which would not be the case for the steam table example (energy costs, opportunity costs, etc).</p>
<p>In fact, my guess is that Apple spends vastly more resources on the approval process than it does to host a given app in the store.</p>
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