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	<title>Comments on: The Value of Short Blocks</title>
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		<title>By: Timothy B Lee</title>
		<link>http://timothyblee.com/2010/07/19/the-value-of-short-blocks/comment-page-1/#comment-16215</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy B Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 20:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew: yes, I think those ideas were definitely part of the motivation. It&#039;s difficult to separate cause from effect because I think some of the crime was a result of the dislocations created by the freeway projects themselves. But the people making the decisions wouldn&#039;t have noticed that connection, so as the decline of urban cores accelerated, that would have reinforced their view that they needed to give people easier ways to escape to the suburbs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew: yes, I think those ideas were definitely part of the motivation. It&#8217;s difficult to separate cause from effect because I think some of the crime was a result of the dislocations created by the freeway projects themselves. But the people making the decisions wouldn&#8217;t have noticed that connection, so as the decline of urban cores accelerated, that would have reinforced their view that they needed to give people easier ways to escape to the suburbs.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://timothyblee.com/2010/07/19/the-value-of-short-blocks/comment-page-1/#comment-16189</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 18:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tim,

Do you see any evidence in Shaw or elsewhere that the movement among city planners away from urban density and toward more suburban, vehicle-dependent designs was partly a reaction to crime, street drug use, homelessness and other &quot;urban blights&quot; that became more pronounced in the early 1960s? 

It seems to me that at least in southern California, the municipal planning that took place between the late 1950s and the 1980s was a reaction to the popular view that traditional urban centers were headed for the dustbin of history -- crime-ridden, dangerous, overrun by gangs and drugs, and unsafe places for families. As a result, mayors and city councils seem to have pushed for a more decentralized suburban development model, under the logic that less dense areas would suffer fewer of these &quot;externality&quot; problems that plagued cities at the time. In retrospect, as you note, this turns out to have been a huge mistake, as the crime and drug waves were largely due a temporary spike in the number of young men between 15 and 30 post-Baby-Boom, which has now disappeared. 

Just wondering if you&#039;ve seen anything exploring this idea that the perceived decline in dense urban areas in the 1960s and 1970s may have pushed city planning toward the more suburban model we see today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tim,</p>
<p>Do you see any evidence in Shaw or elsewhere that the movement among city planners away from urban density and toward more suburban, vehicle-dependent designs was partly a reaction to crime, street drug use, homelessness and other &#8220;urban blights&#8221; that became more pronounced in the early 1960s? </p>
<p>It seems to me that at least in southern California, the municipal planning that took place between the late 1950s and the 1980s was a reaction to the popular view that traditional urban centers were headed for the dustbin of history &#8212; crime-ridden, dangerous, overrun by gangs and drugs, and unsafe places for families. As a result, mayors and city councils seem to have pushed for a more decentralized suburban development model, under the logic that less dense areas would suffer fewer of these &#8220;externality&#8221; problems that plagued cities at the time. In retrospect, as you note, this turns out to have been a huge mistake, as the crime and drug waves were largely due a temporary spike in the number of young men between 15 and 30 post-Baby-Boom, which has now disappeared. </p>
<p>Just wondering if you&#8217;ve seen anything exploring this idea that the perceived decline in dense urban areas in the 1960s and 1970s may have pushed city planning toward the more suburban model we see today.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Sableman</title>
		<link>http://timothyblee.com/2010/07/19/the-value-of-short-blocks/comment-page-1/#comment-16146</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Sableman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 15:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently visited your neighborhood in Philadelphia and was so impressed.  While I was in town I was also reading The Life and Death of Great American Cities.  This post highlights her point very well!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently visited your neighborhood in Philadelphia and was so impressed.  While I was in town I was also reading The Life and Death of Great American Cities.  This post highlights her point very well!</p>
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