One of my favorite scholars is James Bessen, a lecturer at Boston University and a fellow at Harvard’s Berkman Center. A Harvard graduate, he founded a company that created one of the first desktop publishing systems and helped revolutionize the publishing industry. He sold that company in 1993 and has since become a self-trained academic economist.
Some of his most important work has been on patents. He wrote an excellent paper on software patents with future Nobel laureate Eric Maskin. And with Michael Meurer, he wrote Patent Failure, a fantastic book I have promoted at every opportunity.
Patents are one aspect of Bessen’s larger research agenda, which is focused on understanding the process of innovation and the policies that encourage it. To that end, he has been doing some in-depth research into the history of innovation. In this interview, he talks about his findings on the history of weaving technology, his own experiences in the desktop publishing industry, and what those experiences tell us about the alleged “great stagnation” of our own era. My questions are in bold, and his responses are in ordinary type. I’ll post a bit more of the interview tomorrow.
Timothy B. Lee: I think a lot of people have a sense that the rise of the Internet and the software industry are pretty exceptional. On the other hand, Tyler Cowen has argued that the changes of the last 40 years are actually less dramatic than those of his grandmother’s lifetime. Where do you come down on this question?
James Bessen: Cowen argues that we’ve picked all the low-hanging ideas and that we’re running out of good ideas. Other people have a sense that we’re sort of in the midst of a technological revolution. The central paradox is that for the past 3 decades, during the rise of the personal computer, wages, at least, have stagnated. There’s this sense that we’re doing all this innovation, we’re coming up with new technology, but we’re not seeing the economic fruits of it like we did in the past.
So maybe this is just frivolous technology, not “real” innovation. Grandma got indoor plumbing and we’re getting social networking.
Cowen trots out things like patent statistics, but he unfortunately gets it wrong. For starters, patents are not measuring innovation, they’re measuring industrial strategies. In terms of the number of patents granted, even just to domestic innovators, it’s at an all-time high. If you weight it per capita, it’s a little bit less than it was in the late 19th century, but not very much. So patents are not a clear indication of a great stagnation.
But isn’t the relatively slow growth of wages and GDP evidence that we’re not producing as many good ideas as we used to?
People think these great inventors have these great ideas which then just go out and immediately revolutionize society and produce all of these benefits. So the fact that we’re seeing lots of technology, lots of innovation, and yet not seeing the economic benefit seems to say, “well, something’s wrong with those ideas.”
But if you look in the past, technology has never been about simple inventions revolutionizing society directly. It’s always been about them providing an opportunity, but that opportunity requires the development of all sorts of new knowledge by large numbers of people–people who are going to use it, people who are going to work with it, people who are going to build it, and that’s very often a process that takes decades.
You’ve studied 19th century weaving technology as an example of this process, right?
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